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Atheists and agnostics tend to be painted as these amoral douchewaffles with no respect for human life and so on and so forth.

Kinda like this: [link]

Some of them are, but they represent us the same way stupid fucks like Pat Robertson represent Christianity-- badly.
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
noice!
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61021376 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2016
This is true, but your system of value does descent from Judeo-Christian values.
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fuckades Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2015  Student Writer
Saying you need religion to be good; is like admitting you'd be bad without one.
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MissTulcadhiel Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
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PineApple-Hut Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes~
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some psychologist believe that early human morals may stem from early religion, but that doesn't mean we still need it to keep them.
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Regulus666 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 19, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Some of the most backstabbing and immoral people I've met are heavily religious. People who operate on a policy of hatred and contempt for perfectly nice human beings. I would describe myself as a nihilistic hedonist. And before you go saying I'm immoral for that, at least hear me out on what those words really mean.

Nihilism: The belief that nothing has any inherent meaning besides what can be observed and rationalized. 
               Example - A rainbow doesn't mean anything other than the fact that light is being refracted.

Hedonism: The belief that the most important thing in life is the pleasure/happiness of yourself and your fellow humans. That you should live your life in                  service to the overall benefit of yourself and others. Anything that hurts you or others is bad. 

Ergo, I take my morals from my sense of logic. If it makes me happy and doesn't hurt anybody, then it's good. If it's hurts me or anyone else directly, then it's bad. This means that I hold many of the same morals as the majority of sensible religious people. The only things I disagree with, morally speaking, are so called "morals" which are harmful to people who haven't done anything to harm anyone else. I don't see anything wrong with sexual orientation, atheism, or other ethnic groups. I myself happen to be a gay atheist. I know for a fact that sexuality is not a choice as I've never been attracted to a woman in my entire life, and I can't accept the existence of an omnipotent being whose apparent "love" for humanity is matched only by his hypocrisy, hatred, immaturity, and xenophobia. Not to mention that God, assuming he did exist, would be guilty of four of the Seven Deadly Sins.
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
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good lords... i never bothered to look up what nihilism means XD

so, i'm a pansexual sarcastic nihilistic hedonist pantheist nonconformist? fml.
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Gewalgon Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, I'm either an atheist or agnostic, I believe in a couple of things!
But my beliefs aren't bound to any religion :aww:
So good stamp!
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AshTheRebelFox Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
those without a set in stone moral basis ( such the bible) are basing their morals soley on what they feel, IE, whats in their heart. as long as its right by them its right, if they hate it it must be wrong. they also tend to believe that if they like something (especially perverted sexual deviancies and murder) that they must love and worship it, and if they dont like something, that they must hate it with every fiber of their person. 

basically, without a set in stone moral standard, there is no moral standard. 
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BabakoSen Featured By Owner Edited Sep 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow, that's an impressive number of logical fallacies to cram in such a short post. Let me count the ways...

:bulletred: False Dichotomy (twice!) - you failed to entertain the possibility that a person who does not follow your definition of a set-in-stone moral code could base their morals on something other than personal preference, i.e. a synthesis of logic, understanding of biology, civics, cost-benefit analysis, and most importantly, empathy.

:bulletorange: Straw Man Fallacy - Your misrepresentation of us agnostics/atheists as selfish hedonists is generally wrong, insulting, and speaks volumes about your inability (or perhaps refusal) to even attempt to understand alternative points of view.

:bulletyellow: Causal Fallacy - you misunderstand how empathy informs morality. It's not enough to just do or not do unto others as you would have others do or not do to you. You also have to be cognizant of others' needs and circumstances so you can understand when, how, and why you need to not do certain things to others than you might personally enjoy, or do things for others that you would never dream of asking for for yourself.

:bulletgreen: Begging the Question - Your attempt to prove that there is no moral standard without a rigid code presupposes that premise in the proof. It's a kind of circular logic.

:bulletblue: Appeal to Consequence/Closure - You heavily imply that we need a rigid moral standard because the alternative (see false dichotomy) is amorality, uncertainty, and chaos, which presumably nobody wants. The universe has no concern for anyone's aversion to unpleasant consequences or their desire for certainty.

:bulletpurple: Moralistic Fallacy - Basically you're conflating uncertainty and inconvenience with wrongness, not to mention you're confusing personal preference with universal values. A fluid conception of right and wrong (what you might derisively term "moral relativism") is not inherently a sign that someone is evil at heart. For instance, a rehabilitative prison system achieves better long-term results for society in terms of cost, crime rates, and recidivism rates than a punitive system like ours, even though the latter might be more emotionally or morally satisfying. Likewise, being able to adjust for mitigating circumstances and the values of other cultures that may be dissonant with your own are critical skills for maintaining civility in a globalized society. That doesn't mean you have to tolerate it when it's considered morally acceptable in another culture to, say, murder a rape victim to cleanse her family's honor. You have to think critically and consider everything in context to distinguish necessary evils from unconscionable human suffering and act appropriately. Yes, it's tough, it's inconvenient, the results are messy, and uncertainty abounds. You'll probably fuck up a lot whenever you have to deal with things more nuanced than knowing not to deceive, rob, hurt, or kill others except in defense of self or lived ones. But adhering to rigid codes without thinking is how we end up with rules that defy all empathy and common sense in the first place, or how we get stuck with rules that no longer make sense for the environment in which we live.

By the way, a couple questions to consider going forward: By what standard is God good? Because he created the concept? How do you know? (You may at this point want to read about the Council of Nicaea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Co…) Better yet, given the sheer number of faiths in existence and the number that have come and gone over humanity's history, what are the odds that any of them is correct, especially in full? (Before you appeal to the popularity of Christianity, www.rt.com/news/246381-islam-d…)
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
i love this. and your signature is "to die for" XD
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BabakoSen Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :D
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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ican'thelpsaying

YouneedGodtohavemoralsbecauseheistheonethatcreatedrightandwrong. Without him your morals are subjective and basically don't hold up

Byenow

*Jumps in hatemail bombshelter* Run Away  
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Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't believe in god, and I'm a pretty good person, how? Because I have empathy. Do I want to be hurt? No. So I don't do it to others. Normal humans don't have to have a "god" tell them what is right or wrong. So pretty much you admit that without a god YOU would have no morals?
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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol
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Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I love how you can't even reply with a mature response just "lol"
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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I've already said what I had to say below. I don't need to do it again.
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Cro-Magna Featured By Owner Edited Feb 11, 2015   Digital Artist
Atheists and agnostics do not believe "He" exists. They do not base their morals and values on religious beliefs. Some people think "If you don't believe in God, where do you get your morals from? What's stopping you from going on a murderous, thieving rampage?!"

Well, there are many ways to come to the very logical, very natural conclusion that you shouldn't be a dick to people. History, for example, has endless examples of why war and selfishness don't work. We can learn from our past mistakes. In humans, there are also biological, ingrained responses that we towards others' emotions (empathy) that we have evolved over time. It's one of the main reasons we have survived so successfully as a species. We don't like seeing others suffer, and helping other people has been proven to release feel-good chemicals in your brain. Hate is destructive and anger takes a toll on your lifespan. We're simply set up to care and love one another. All animals long for community and friendship, and we are not exempt from this. It just makes sense for us to not do undue harm unto others, no religion is necessary to come to that conclusion.

Let me also put it this way:
Millions of religions sprung up over the course of human history at different times and places. Each one had its own unique beliefs and moral code and grew/die out completely cut off from most others. With so many different viewpoints and moral codes in different time periods, how can someone say "It's my SPECIFIC RELIGION that is keeping me on a moral path" when no two religions align perfectly? Religion is a man-made concept and reflects man's need and desires, namely our desire for community, compassion, and order (as well as an explanation for the unknown, but that's another argument entirely).

Also, it's not religion that's keeping us from murdering, stealing, and so on, it's the law. You cannot claim that we get our laws from religion, either, because what about Communism China? They have near-identical "morals" as the U.S.A. does (regarding murder, stealing, and the like), but doesn't have a Christian population like we largely do here.

If I am strongly against murder, stealing, adultery, hatefulness, etc. would you say I am an immoral person just because I'm not basing my ethical beliefs on a god?
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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I would ask you how do you know something is moral?
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Cro-Magna Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Digital Artist
Because humans, like other animals, have the capacity to understand whether or not something you or somebody else are doing is causing undue suffering. My moral value, I believe, comes from the vulnerabilities of sentient beings and from the capacities of rational beings to recognize and to respond to those vulnerabilities and capacities in others. We are both sentient and rational beings, so I don't see why we could not decide morality for ourselves.

Consider the following moral judgments (which, for the record, seem to be obviously true imo):

1. It is wrong to drive people from their homes or to kill them because you want their land.
2. It is wrong to enslave people.
3. It is wrong to rape someone.
4. Anyone who witnesses genocide, or enslavement, or torture, is morally required to try to stop it.

To say that morality depends on the existence of God is to say that none of these specific moral judgments is true unless God exists. That seems to me to be a remarkable claim. If God turned out not to exist — then slavery would be O.K.? There’d be nothing wrong with torture? The pain of another human being would mean nothing?

If you believe that all these things - our desire to help instead of hinder one another, murder is wrong, etc. - exist specifically because God exists, then I suppose I couldn't argue with you. We'd agree on all the same things, but where you say God is responsible, I say that these things arise through simply natural means, no God needed. No one can prove that God does or doesn't exist, so that's a much trickier issue. If that is the case, I'll just agree to disagree. As long as someone treats others with respect, that is what matters to me (doesn't matter what their religious belief is). (:

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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I shall agree to disagree. Props to you though and no hard feelings I hope
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Cro-Magna Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Digital Artist
None at all! Hope the feeling's mutual.
Tbh I usually don't care for debates. I'm not really sure what made me want to reply to your comment, to be honest. Lol

Cheers
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AdarkVoid Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol Cheers mate
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FunkyKazoo Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. I have been agnostic my whole life, and I get told by releigous people on a regular basis "You're going to burn in hell!" Yet SOMEHOW I know "immoral" atheists who are the best friends I've ever had. A lot of people assume that as soon as you're not releigous, you're an awful person, when really, anyone can be immoral or moral regardless of religion.
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DarkSideDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
The link is broken, it says: "Method Not Implemented".
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MarissaSunshine Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
I was raised without it and I'm perfectly fine! ^^
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HorsemensWhiskey Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Being moral or immoral is a reflection of your humanity and yourself as a person and your own existence.
I'm a spiritual creature but not Christian or anything but by far morality shows whether we are rational and civilized and to what degree ^.^

For me, personally, I believe in moral value as a human being and wish people would discover if they have morals or not and for what reasons of their own.
So yeah, morals are something created of experience, learned lessons and values that are initiated for those whom value it.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Even though atheists love calling Hitler Christian, the matter of the fact is that he held strong evolutionary beliefs.
He wanted the create the perfect human race, have the fittest survive and the weak die, allowed scientific experiments on live humans to have the world as it was going towards, a world where evolution was heading. He was just speeding up the process.

Well, what happened there was they had relative morality. The law says its okay, then it's okay. The Jews aren't human anymore, so you can legally rob them, beat them and even kill them and it wouldn't be considered murder. It was even in service of mankind.

It's even happening now. Abortions, adultery, idolatry are all fine right now because it's not against the law. The world is already going to a downward spiral and it's only going to get worse.

I pray for everybody's safety and turning to Jesus when that day comes because the world is going to pass away but your souls are eternal.
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magshi Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Pushing the "hot button" by saying that "HITLER IS ATHEIST" (even though his mein kampf directly contradicts that) does nothing
but distract. Unfortunately for you, people have used said hot button distractions so often that they are worthless now. In other words,
your opening statement about Hitler has nothing to do with anything.

This next statement is simple to refute, the law does NOT decide morality, YES it has a factor in group morality but it CANNOT define your
own subjective morality UNLESS you allow it to do so. For the record, not every nazi officer felt Hitlers actions were morally just, they were
just following orders in fear of being executed themselves. Hell, many former nazi's ended up showing both remorse and regret for their
actions later on in life, some even suffering from PTSD.

Nothing but blatant, pointless, useless fear mongering. Please cut that out, NOTHING bad is going to happen just because same sex marriage was legalized, NOTHING. Seriously, didn't the "rapture" fiascoes teach you anything? Various Christians predicted the coming of the so called rapture on 1844, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1978, 1994, and 2011, and guess what happened on each of these predicted years? Thats right ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
After seven FAILED attempts to predict the end of the world you think you people would've learned that fear mongering does NOTHING but make you look paranoid. Now, you could easily turn around and say that "oh well look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah!" and that would be true, of those two cities actually existed. Unfortunately, archaeologists have found next to no evidence of either city ever having existed in the locations the bible stated they would be. I'm fairly certain that if there were these two ancient citys that were destroyed in a cataclysm that they would have left some sort of evidence behind, ruins, pottery, utencils, ANYTHING. But no, neither Sodom nor Gomorrah has left any such evidence of their existence.

Sheesh, the supposed 2012 doomsday frightened me more than your so-called raptures, at least that doomsday date had scientific/archaeological evidence attributed to it, even if nothing happened.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I didn't say a thing about Hitler being an atheist. I was making a point he wasn't Christian but held evolutionary views that ultimately was put into effect under his rule.
Either way, religion and evolution can both be used for evil. Christianity and science does a lot of good, though.

And wow, that's quite the wall of text you got there... and nonsensical, off topic ramblings at that.
... I guess it'd be safe to say you're either a troll or underage.

You want a conversation? Fine, lose attitude and we'll see.
If not, I really don't mind. You won't learn anything if you don't want to listen.

Good day and God bless.
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megadracosaurus Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015  Student
Its always kind of confused me that a Christian like Hitler used evolution for his goal. Even Charles Darwin stated that his theory was never meant to be for the purpose of claiming one creature was better then the other.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
To be clear, Hitler wasn't Christian.
He didn't act the part nor respected the original covenant of God with the Jews. Hitler's Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, has said "The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian".

And yes, Charles Darwin did hold that view, but even so others did not and used it to their advantage to commit horrendous acts, like caging natives and performing live experiments on Jews with the end intent on ending their life.
I suppose it's like using religion to control people, but Hitler's followers couldn't care less for their Fuhrer's Christian belief, and instead followed up on his evolutionist view. They were all lost and confused, scared and hateful.

It all started when Adam and Eve first sinned, suffering and evil was introduced into the world and we were separated from God. We're all sinners, sinning against an eternal God, the price also being an eternal punishment.
The Jews routinely sacrificed unblemished lambs to cover their sins; then God sent the most perfect human being, Jesus Christ, to take away our sins once and for all.
It's sad to see someone like Hitler not accept Jesus and instead went on to kill God's chosen people and encouraged an entire nation to hate them and go on to cause the world's largest genocide.

ZACHOR! Remember and don't have amnesia. Learn from history and so we can avoid making the same mistakes.
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
learn from history... like you guys have done but STILL believe in all the bible crap XD i wasn't going to say anything to someone who uses an 'agent of god' avatar but the 'adam and eve' part cracked me up! i couldn't help myself.
i don't mean to be offensive but i'm against stupidity. even my own, at times. 
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Art history is close enough and I have more important things to worry about, like my education, than some avatar on a site I barely use. God bless!
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
well, at least you're right about that. i actually learned a lot from architecture class. a lot of things are quite surprising.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Also, I finally changed my avatar. Isn't it cute? It's the whole armour of God thing. :D
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
i like simplified chibi. it is kinda cute.
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Sheldon-clone Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014
Well, his methode was wrong. You can't create the perfect humans by killing of the imperfections, that's just irrational.
The correct way is to influence human culture so that they on their own evolve towards what you desire them to be.
Evolution can't be forced, only nudged.



Also, when this world pass away - I'll simply move to a new universe that is only a couple of billions of years old.
God didn't create this universe, he simply moved in at some point. Maybe to escape the heat-death of his own universe.
And i don't wanna bow down to a deity, i'd rather go through hell if necessary, to become one myself.
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AgentBengalTiger Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry to barge in on this sensitive conversation, but that very last sentence in your comment caught my attention. You're facing the wrong direction. You don't ride the down escalator to go up. You ride the up escalator, or you climb the down escalator faster than it's going. I hope you can figure out that weird metaphor.

Besides that, I very much doubt that you are eligible to go to Hell, anyway.

I don't really know why I'm commenting here anyway. This stamp doesn't apply to me, and I'm leaving now. Good bye!
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Sheldon-clone Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014
I know, when i said "go through hell", it was meant as a metaphor.
I'm not stupid enough to actually hang out in such a place.
Also, i'm not gonna take the escalators, i prefer the stairs - They seem much safer.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If you don't repent now, you will remember this conversation forever. You'll look back and regret everything you said or done.

You want a world without God? You're gonna get it.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner May 4, 2014   Traditional Artist
We already have a world without God, thanks. :meow:
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
W00T! and it's getting better everyday. 
still needs a lot of work, though.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2017   Traditional Artist
It'll never be perfect, but the success and peacefulness of the most non-religious countries bears out the wisdom. :nod:
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AlphaLightBearer Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
perfect is also an opinion... but it's an improvement.
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're gonna know when God isn't here anymore. It'll be hell on Earth.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner May 15, 2014   Traditional Artist
Some people's lives are already a living hell, and your silly apocalyptic dogma is an insult to them. I know you'll pull the 'but they'll go to heaven when they die so it's all okay' defence, but that's equally insulting; just another justification for not caring. You see how unpleasant your fables are? 
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AgentKay004 Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Are you one of those people who says God creates our suffering?
or that our suffering proves God doesn't exist?
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner May 18, 2014   Traditional Artist
Neither; a non-existent thing cannot create suffering, but I never regarded the existence of suffering as proof of God's non-existence, since there are a multitude of other reasons not to believe. :shrug:
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